Here’s a submission from http://fadeddream-s.tumblr.com/ with her views on recasts and bootlegging.
"After the creation of the so (in)famous BJD Confessions tumblr, where it seems that many people posted things about recasts, less expensive chinese dolls and elitism in the hobby, I started to think a lot about what I’ve seen lately. After so many reblogs on the recasts and bootlegs confessions, I’ve heard from some people that they are now afraid to buy second hand dolls because of the fear that it is a bootleg and they’re paying sometimes the full price of a limited head. Also I hear from them that they talked to other people that showed the same fear, and so on. This really makes me sad.
You know, I really love this hobby and I learned a lot from it, things I didn’t know before, new techniques, styles, a whole new world for art and creation. But also, I learned a lot about art thievery, ego fights, etc. Yeah, you can misunderstand everything I will say here, and can even call me elitist fag… I don’t care. What matters for me is the experience I have in this hobby, and it’s starting to feel wrong because of some issues there.
To people who buy bootlegs: I don’t care if your doll is bootleg or not, I really don’t like this practice, but what you do with your money is your own problem. BUT, when it comes to cheat on people and sell second hand dolls, I really care indeed. We want to buy original dolls for many reasons, and you have no right to sell bootlegs and say they are original, and even worse, sell them for the price of an original doll, because it’s thievery.
It makes me very sad that people are so selfish to not even think they can be destroying the whole doll market because of these bootleg issues, because they don’t want to pay the full price for a mold they want and don’t have the decency to sell them as the bootleg they bought, for the price they paid. The act of buying right from the recast company is already bad, because dolls cost what they cost for many reasons. I don’t need to explain that, since there is a doll artist who already did it here. It’s not because companies are “omfg so greedy” that they charge this price. Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but the basic doll price is that. And I can’t believe that some people give such a value to this hobby that they think they should pay a barbie price for a fully customizable, jointed, beautifully sculpted resin doll that is 60cm tall. I mean, seriously? I’ve seen recasts of Volks heads for $12 on Taobao. This really freaks me out.
People in this hobby complain a lot about price, and the way the companies treat their customers, like, “I want to pay cheap, for a beautiful doll, and have a high standard customer service, in a beautiful and secure site.”. This is impossible. The resin itself is expensive, the molds are expensive, and the companies need to pay for the sculptor, the webdesigner (which is not a cheap service, especially when we’re talking about an online shop), the person who will talk to customers, many times, the translator, the studio rental, the design material (boxes, certificates, prints, etc). It’s not easy to start a company and it demands a lot of time and dedication (and money) to make it get big. Bootlegs are bringing problems to companies that were already something traditional in the hobby, like Souldoll or Dollshe. I’m not saying that recasts are the reason of all evil. But what I want to say is: if you think a doll company is already something small, compared to companies in any other sector of the industry, how can you be so proud of owning bootlegs and making people afraid of buying second hand dolls? This is self destruction, because without companies to pay for the good artists who make beautiful dolls there-is-no-bootleg.
So, well… this is what I think. I’m just reposting it here, because I think my arguments, as a BJD owner, not an artist, are similar to Fairyland’s and Iplehouse’s and I thought this could be seen : )”
Here is a reply from Fairyland, the company who produce the dolls sculpted by Cerberus Project. Hope you find it as enlightening as I do.
"Thank you for your interest in our FairyLand dolls and here is the translated reply from one of our administrator. He would like to let you know that this does not represent the views of FairyLand but his own view as an administrator.
" Contrary to popular belief that FairyLand is a big company, we are a fairly small company that operates in an industry which requires intensive hours of labour (This also applies to any other bjd companies in the field). We would like to let our customers know that despite what seems like an expensive price tag for a doll, there isn’t much profit we earn buy selling one. Higher quality materials, used to make bjds are outrageously expensive which makes the marginally small profit even smaller.
We understand reasons why some customers would prefer copied products over originals. However, the longer the trend of buying copied products prevails and the more profit recasting producers make, original companies will be deeply affected by the impact and will start to question why should we even develop a new product. This will eventually lead original sculptors to close down the business or to make a very few quantity of goods for exclusive selected number of people. Naturally, the chain of events will impact the copiers to close down the business as well as there won’t be any more new products to be copied and sold. If these cycle of events were to take place repetitively, customers buying original goods will be deeply affected as well since the market would have reduced in its size and quality over time. Here, I have taken an example from a different industry to illustrate my point and there can be a differences in knowing whether you are buying with or without knowing. Nevertheless, most certainly (uncontrollable) demands of customers will take part in completing this vicious cycle.
The problem might seem far off from the argument whether copy (acts of copying and buying copied goods) is legitimate or not but actually it has everything to do with it. A significant amount of time and money is spent when developing a new line or releasing a new product. Copied goods are always cheaper (than original goods) since there is no need for copiers to spend time and money in development. Let’s assume if they were to have their own method and make moderate changes for development but had it copied by another copy-company. How would they feel and who will be there to recognise and respect their rights? Your rights are not likely to be recognised if you have been ignoring others’ rights. Regardless of the size of the company (and how much profit it earns) which produces original good, I oppose the argument that copy is legitimate and I hesitate to use the word ‘recast’. Copy is copy, and you cannot call it legitimate or legal. The need of legitimation of copying goods already reveals the fact that consumers buying copied goods feeling guilty of their actions. If the purchase was just, then it seems unlikely that you would have to make an effort to find reasons to justify your purchase. “
For your information, FairyLand is a small company based in Korea with not more than 20 or more employees at one time including administrative staffs. We have been working hard to create a fair and just working environment for our employees and aspiring to provide optimum working conditions that can set a new precedent in this industry. Cerberus Project TM is the sculpting team that sculpts and develop our dolls whilst FairyLand is responsible for all other tasks including administration. It is CP’s wish to remain as a team and not as a company to keep true to their origins (finding creative inspiration and joy from sculpting bjds) and FairyLand is pleased to be working as a partner for one of the oldest and finest sculpting team in ABJD community. We take pride in our name and quality of our work and will be disheartened to see the bjd community impoverish as a result of ‘copy’ problem. If you have any other questions or requests, please do not hesitate to ask. Thank you.
"Most of our employees are artists and we are a small-scale company.
Also CEO is a sculptor and currently about 2-30 employees are working at our firm.
2-30 employees design and make the dolls and with some help from corporative firm we are manufacturing dolls.”
They have confirmed that the sculptor is the CEO, and that the dolls are made by a casting company. Would you still call this a big company?
Thanks for your comment :)
I think for a lot of people they just don’t realise that real people are behind that company, they just feel somehow that the company is depriving them of what they want by not making it cheap enough. I hope that with a little information they might realise that someone does get hurt.
Focus on Gentaro Araki (Unoa Sculptor.)
Araki-san is an illustrator and sculptor of art dolls, including the Unoa series of ball jointed dolls. Due to the high resale value, these dolls are a target for recasters. However, the dolls are still available direct from the company, through Noppin shop.
The photo is showing the sculpting process of one of Araki-san’s larger art dolls.
He has expressed distress at the sale of recasts (as well as stylistic copies, although this blog does not focus on that issue). You can read it here: http://unoa.fc2web.com/english.html#ploblem2
Although the English is not perfect, it does give an insight to the hurt he feels at his dolls being recast.
[Note: It’s fine. Thanks for the submission.]
To the admin: I hope the formatting comes through on this. If you don’t feel this is any good to post, then just delete it, that’s fine. I’m going to go full monty here and say some things that might not come off the right way, but I just want people…
Batchix makes artist dolls, and kindly shared her thoughts with BJD Text Confessions.
I had to remove the strong language, as I’m really trying to stop this blog turning into any kind of flame war. I’ll answer your main issue though:
” At least the ones for recasts serve an ACTUAL purpose, regardless of whether you agree with it.”
The purpose of this blog is to provide information about doll makers to help people make an informed decision about whether, or even which, recasts they want to buy.
People are being told that there is not a moral issue as the doll companies are making a fortune, and I would like those people to know the truth BEFORE they make their decision.
It is NOT intended to villify recast collecotrs, ONLY to help people make informed choices.
My attitude is, check with the maker that there will be no new releases, then knock yourself out. The moral issue is removed here, and I don’t have a problem with it provided the resin is safe.
It’s not something I’d ever wish to support, but I’d not wish to condemn anyone too harshly for this.
This is an argument I hear a lot, and it doesn’t really fly with me.
Lets presume by stealing music Anon means music released by a signed band. In this case, the artist actually does not get as high a royalty as you might expect. They rely on a high volume of sales to make money, as each sale makes them very little.
Compare this with dolls now. For the majority of companies, the artist who sculpted the doll also runs the company. They do not employ staff, and perhaps use a casting company. This is why dolls from different companies in the same country often have the same colour resin. There is no middleman, so 100% of the profit from each doll goes to the artist. Depending on the company the volume of sales is low, meaning each sale is important to them.
Welcome to Say No. It’s simply a place for people to put forward their arguments as to why they disagree with the buying of fake Ball Jointed Dolls.
It is not intended for any kind of abuse towards people who do buy bootlegged dolls. Lets keep things civil.